The Devil wasn’t going to let Lady Day (March 25) go by without having a swipe at the Culture of Life that day so gloriously celebrates. The Age ran a front page story called “Angie’s choice: a death with dignity”, glorifying a suicide as a “death with dignity”. (See also:Angie’s choice and Police investigate Angie’s lonely death, as well as letters to the editor here and here).
This is nothing new for The Age. A google search of “euthanasia” on www.theage.com.au will turn up 1,020 articles. Compare this to a google search on The Herald Sun’s website (which turns up only 256) and it is hard not to get the impression that this is a subject the Editors at The Age are especially interested in. In fact, the Herald Sun seems happy to carry a different line from one of their most popular columnists (Andrew Bolt, Philip Nitschke ‘leaves trail of lonely dead’).
The fact is that The Age certainly knew that this illegal suicide (suicide is illegal, you know – it is just very hard to prosecute!) was going to take place.
Senior-Sergeant Allen said Ms Belecciu, who told her story to The Age last week in an effort to stir debate about euthanasia, had been found by a motel worker who reported her death to police on Tuesday.
In the light of Senior-Sergeant Allen’s comment, I don’t think it would be inaccurate to call the story (not the actual death) of Ms Belecciu either a “protest action” or a “media stunt” (depending on your point of view) jointly carried out by Ms Belecciu and The Age.
The letters to the editor the next day included this:
A PALLIATIVE care nurse takes her own life rather than enjoy the benefits of palliative care. This, surely, destroys the myth, created with support of the Catholic Church, that palliative care is a humane solution to the immense suffering that some people have to endure. If only our elected representatives had the courage to stand up to unelected lobby groups and do the right thing — legalise euthanasia.
Evert de Graauw, Wantirna
That reminds me of when I was a kid. If I complained of a sickness or a pain that wouldn’t go away, my mum would sometimes joke “We’ll just bong you on the head – that’ll fix it.”
Anyway, now to the reason why I am blogging on this a few days after the event. The Archdiocese has released a public response to this sorry episode. Here it is:
MEDIA RELEASE – 27 MARCH 2009
BISHOP REJECTS GLAMORISATION OF SUICIDE
Bishop Christopher Prowse, Catholic Auxiliary Bishop of Melbourne, said today that he was deeply distressed by the suffering and death of Angie Belecciu (The Age 25 March 2009).
The Bishop said however that he does not abide ‘glamorising’ story telling about her particular circumstances. “Nor do I condone efforts taken by some to assist people in Angie Belecciu’s situation to take their own lives,” he said.
“I wish more could have been done to ease her suffering. My prayers and sympathy are with her family at this time,” he said. “I see nothing ennobling, no validation of human dignity, in suicide. We must do all we can to make the benefits of palliative care accessible.”
The Bishop said that palliative care gives tremendous comfort and support to the terminally ill.
Mr Larkins, Chief Executive Officer of Palliative Care Victoria, told The Age recently that feedback from loved ones of palliative care patients showed a 98% to 99% satisfaction with treatment.
Bishop Prowse said, “Further resources from Government and elsewhere are required to further advance palliative care in Australia. For Christians, life is a gift from God. It is not ours to dispose of.”
The Bishop said the Catholic Church, and many others in the community, regrets any bias towards a euthanasia option that Australian society has long condemned. “May it continue to outlaw euthanasia in all its insidious expressions. Euthanasia is never to be a choice for a healthy society that protects life from beginning to end.”
“Our prayers go out to Angie Belecciu. May she rest in peace. May her family be comforted at this time of sadness,” the Bishop said.
All we really need to do with these people is to explain to them what will happen to them after death if they commit suicide, and there would be no problem. No-one would even contemplate it if they knew the consequences. We are just too frightened to tell them, for fear of being labelled fundamentalist.
The fact is that people can top themnselves any time. It is not to be encouraged, but the push for “euthanasia” is just about trying to make suicide more socially acceptable. Whereas, really, it just sucks.
No, Carlo, we could tell them, but they would still go ahead. Lots of people choose to believe there’s no Hell. Having said that, we should tell them anyway. I have already told my elder children that suicide is a grave matter (and therefore Mortal Sin, if the person is culpable).
The person is ALWAYS culpable, unless he is a moron, imbecile or idiot.
Carlo,
Your last comment is both distasteful and wrong.
A person by virtue of diminished mental capacity may in fact be culpable of sin, but the culpability may be lessened by virtue of their diminished capacity.
Moreover, intellectual disabilities are not the only grounds for diminished capacity. The Catechism teaches, in its section on suicide, that “Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.”
Only God knows what happens to someone after they suicide. So, it is very difficult for us to tell them “what will happpen to them.”
Suicide is a mortal sin, so they will go to hell. Simple. The terms moron, imbecile and idiot are technical terms, not terms of abuse. Tastefulness does not come into it. Read “New Lights on Pastoral Problems” by Father Paul Hanly Furfey, Ph.D., a recognised expert in the field and a True Catholic.
Carlo, the book you suggested was published in 1931. I think a few newer lights, including the Catechism of the Catholic Church, have been published since then.
2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal.
Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.
Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.
2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.
I’m glad you are not God, Carlo. Even if we were to take the story of the woman described in this article at face value, in which, to our eyes, there could hardly be greater evidence of intention to commit what you and I know to be a mortal sin, yet she was embracing what she truly believed to be a good and not an evil. For full culpability in mortal sin, full knowledge of the grave evil of an act must also be present.
Now, it is true that Ms Belecciu could hardly NOT have been aware that the Church teaches suicide to be a sin against God, but as Louise pointed out, she (as with many others) are not persuaded. Our task is not just to “tell” them – to preach at them – but to “persuade” them that euthanasia is indeed a grave evil. This requires a firm but winsome manner – the tone of voice which Bishop Prowse strikes in this media release is spot on. We must present the case against euthanasia rationally, and not as dictates. Otherwise, by failing to persuade people of the seriousness of this evil, we may be allowing them to commit grave sin without full knowledge of their error.
Well, good to know that Carlos has spared God the bother of making this particular judgment.
But, to get back to what David wrote, the issue is here is not the intrinsic morality of suicide or the eternal fate of Angela Belleciu or any other suicide, but rather the position of the rest of us; our attitude, as a society, to suicide.
When approached by Ms Belleciu, the editor of The Age was faced with an obvious ethical dilemma. If Ms Belleciu wants her suicide, and the reasons for it, to be publicised, is he co-operating with her suicide, and therefore sharing in the responsibility for her death, if he gives her what she wants?
This issue arose about twenty years ago in Ireland, where I was living at the time.
There was a character well-known in the pubs abound my university. A few years older than the student crowd that mostly drank there, he would tour the pubs on Fridays and Saturdays reciting his poetry. The poetry itself was mostly awful – it dealt with subjects like safe sex, and the blandness of children’s television – but the man himself was well-liked, and could usually count on someone buying him a drink and inviting him to join their group after he had finished reciting. He was slightly socially awkward, and had some of the mannerisms of people who have been in psychiatric care, but he didn’t seem unhappy. I lost sight of him when I left college and found other pubs to drink in.
About ten years later, I read of his death in one of the trashier newspapers. He had broken into a long-abandoned mental hospital and hanged himself. The newspaper was remarkably well-informed about the fairly miserable course of his life through various institutions, and the reasons for his suicide. It was clear that they had interviewed him at some point.
It then transpired that, over a period of many months, he had been hawking himself and the story of his impending suicide around several different newspapers and magazines. In every case, the editors had (1) told him that they would not run the story, and (2) contacted the social services authorities about him.
In every case, that is, except the last. And when he found a newspaper which would run the story, and so draw attention to the scandal of institutional abuse, he carried out his plan.
Now, it could be that he was known among journalists as a man who had cried “wolf” many times before, and that the editor who agreed to run his story did not believe that he would commit suicide. I’m not really interested in passing judgment on the editor concerned. I also don’t want to suggest that his case is on all fours with Angela Belleciu’s; she may have wished her suicide to be publicised, but quite clearly publicity was not her primary motive for suicide. The fact remains, though, that when someone involved you in their suicide plans, you’re not just a reporter any more.
[PS: Carlos, “idiot”, “imbecile” and “moron” ceased to be technical terms many years ago. They are exclusively terms of abuse now. If you could bring yourself to read anything published since about 1945 you would know this.
PPS: They were at one time used to describe people with an IQ in a particular range. There is, however, nothing in Catholic teaching – not even in the writings of Fr Paul Hanley Furfey PhD – to link moral responsibility with IQ.]
“Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.”
Methinks that The Age was sailing close to the wind on this matter.
Can a newspaper be guilty of mortal sin?
Mr Schutz,
No only a man can do a mortal sin. And that as Fr Ott says is Catholic dogma.
Saron,
Our BlessedLord was born in AD zero.(modernists will tellyou he was born say 6years before Christ. In respect of 1931 let me say this: Truth is eternal and has no use-by date.
Perry said: quite clearly publicity was not her primary motive for suicide.
Could it be a co-equal primary motive? I’m trying to work out what the policeman meant about the involvement of The Age in the story.
Lets try an hypothetical.
If I had no fear of death, and knew I was going to die anyway – but didn’t much care whether I died naturally in a few weeks or by my own hand now (in other words sparing myself future pain was neither here nor there as a motive); and if I wanted to make a point about my right to die by my own hand or by the hand of another if I so chose; then might I not possibly choose to take my life now and make a statement that will be heard rather than wait until I die a natural (and un-newsworthy) death? And then would publicity not be my primary motive?
I’m not suggesting this WAS the case, Perry, with Ms Belecciu, but it isn’t really “clear”.
Fr damian Almighty God has told us that suicide is a Mortal Sin and furtermore no Requiem Mass or those appaling white coloured funerals or burial in consecrated ground may occur. I cannot think of a better deterrent, can you?
“Our BlessedLord was born in AD zero.(modernists will tellyou he was born say 6years before Christ.”
-oh dear.
Perergrinus tyou seem to misunderstand carlo’s point, only someone like a moron, imbecile or idiot (technical meaning) would NOT be culpable. I hope that clears the matter up. ANd ny the way the rather cheap shot about older Catholic books is sadly typical of many modernists who think that only modern men understand their religion. Well they wouldn’t have any religion if it wasn’t for our ancestors.
Our BlessedLord was born in AD zero . . . Truth is eternal and has no use-by date.
Speaks for itself, really.
Frank,
There is no law that prohibits funerals for catholics who have committed suicide.
Thanks peregrinus, a rare compliment for me :-)
Fr damian, wer were always taught that the Church could NEVER offer a Requiem Mass for a suicide. Is that the case still? In these days “funeral” may not mean Requiem Mass.
Fr damian, I truly hope that you are not one of the white vestments type priests who bang on about entry into eternal life . I seem to think that you have knowledge of the dogma regarding the soul after death but that like many these days find it hard to preach the Truth of that dogma. I stick with the Saints and the teachings of the Church on this…if we only knew the real suffering of the Holy Souls we would do more for them. Give me a Requiem Mass with the black vestments anyday. In fact I’ve taken the precaution of including that in my final instructions.
Hi David
Could [publicity] be a co-equal primary motive?
It doesn’t look like it. As best as I can see it, she was suffering from a terminal disease, and she wanted to avoid the particular experience of death that that would entail. We might not agree that that’s a good motive, but it’s a perfectly understandable one, and a sufficient one to explain her decision.
I think the publicity was something extra. Her anger was not that she had to commit suicide, but that she had to do so alone, because anyone who stayed with her and supported her would face legal problems. That was her motivation for seeking publicity. But if she lived somewhere where assisted suicide was legal, that wouldn’t have been an issue, and she would have had no reason for seeking publicity. But, it seems likely, she would still have killed herself.
In your hypothetical, you postulate someone who kills themselves purely to assert the right to kill themselves. Such an assertion is of course pointless if no-one hears it so, in that instance, some degree of publicity is necessary, and withholding publicity will avert the death. I think the Irish case that I mentioned comes close to that, but I don’t think the Bellucio case did.
That’s not to say that I think the Age editor is morally off the hook. If I co-operate in an evil, I don’t excuse myself by saying that the evil would have happened anyway.
Thanks peregrinus, a rare compliment for me :-)
I hate to disappoint, Frank, but it wasn’t intended as a compliment. My point was that the statement “Our Blessed Lord was born in AD 0” is, in point of fact, untrue.
Frank,
The current Code of Canon Law does not expressly forbid any funeral rites for those who have committed suicide. Funerals are to be denied apostrates/heretics/schismatics (there was a case of this in Ireland recently), those who wish to be cremated because of opposition to church teaching, and those who are manifest sinners whereby granting them a Christian burial would caused grave scandal (can 1184). The latter has been exercised in Rome with regard to a pro-euthanasia advocatte who ended his own life. In each of these cases, the decision rests with the bishop.
The Order of Christian Funerals includes a prayer for those who have taken their own lives:
“God, lover of souls, You hold dear what You have made and spare all things, for they are Yours. Look gently upon Your servant (Name), and by the Blood of the corss forgive his/her sins and failings. Remember the faith of those who mourn and satisfy their longing for that day when all will be made new again in Christ, our risen Lord, who lives and reigns with You forever and ever. Amen.”
Ok Peregrinus thanks for clearing that up, can you now tell me when you think He was born?
Fr damian like much of the new missal material it is fairly vague and does not get to the point. It asks Amighty God to “look gently…” can you find an earlier prayer form the Church that says the same for suicides? I think you won’t be able to, and I reckon that our nuns and priests knew what they were talking about when they taught us about suicide. This prayer to my mind seems to go very close to endorsing suicide….I know that’s not the intent but it is too weak in my opinion
Hi Frank
Ok Peregrinus thanks for clearing that up, can you now tell me when you think He was born?
I don’t know, and I don’t greatly care. But I do know that he wasn’t born in AD 0, because there was no year AD 0. The year after 1 BC is AD 1, the year in which Dionesius Exiguus estimated the Incarnation to have occurred. Since we do not know the date of the Incarnation, and since the Nativity occurred (presumably) about nine months after the Incarnation, even if Dionysius was correct Jesus could have been born in either AD 1 or AD 2. And, since Dionysius did not set out his calculations, or say why he thought the incarnation occurred in AD 1, we do not know that he was correct.
For what it is worth, the scriptural evidence says that he was wrong. Matthew places the birth during the reign of Herod the Great, who died in 4 BC. Luke says that it happened while Quirinius was governor of Syria; he was appointed in AD 6. Neither of these accounts is consistent with a birth date of AD 1 or AD 2.
Say he was born in December then that year from December to December the next year would be AD 0 (The Year of Our Lord) and wouldn’t then AD 1 (The First year after Our Lord was born, i.e the first full year having been completed) commence in the next December after He was born? Sorry I am a little confused about this and know that is not a dogma but I would like to have it cleared up, just an interesting discussion point and for sake of simplicity I would never say Our Lord was born 4 years before Christ.
Frank,
I’ll disappoint you: when celebrating the Funeral Rites in the church (requiem or funeral without mass), I wear white. At the graveside, I wear violet.
Do I “bang on about entry into eternal life”? Most definitely, but probably not as you intended by that phrase. I constantly preach that we cannot by our deeds merit such an incredible gift. I preach with great regularity on the fact that we will all one day stand before the judgement seat of God and have to account for our lives. I hold and teach that presumption wrt eternal life is a grave error.
Is the prayer for those who committed suicide too weak? All we can do in such cases is implore God to be merciful and to purify the deceased of his/her sins. That’s what the prayer says.
Frank and Carlo,
Even before the Council any moralist could have told you that for mortal sin you need grave matter, full knowledge and full consent of the will: so clearly, one mentally deranged or suffering severe depression, to say nothing of other cases, could commit suicide and yet – thanks be to God! – not ipso facto commit mortal sin, which we pray is the case for those unfortunates who murder themselves. May they rest in peace.
Don’t confuse the objective truth (suicide is always of itself gravely immoral) with the subjective state in a particular case (suicide may not be a mortal sin if the requisite conditions therefor are lacking). If you do so, you may drive yourself and others to despair. (Anyone who has ever been depressed should realise this.)
Of course suicide is horrendous and evil: but we should not appear to gloat about how it is in every case a mortal sin, as if to “magnify [God’s] strictness / with a zeal that’s not His own” (Fr Faber) but rather rejoice that God’s mercy extends even to such sad and tortured sinners; and say with all faith and hope, There but for the grace of God go I.
Any one of us -but for grace – could commit the foulest acts; and any one who does so – by grace – can repent and be saved. The Gospel ought be the source of life and hope. The road to heaven is not to be narrowed further than it is, else how will any one of us ever pass by it to God?
Fr Damian may I ask why you wear Violet only at the graveside? It seems inconsistent to me, in the old days Fr wore black at all times. And we were also taugh that we began our “eternal life” as they say now at our Baptism.
Joshua,
beaautifully said!
Frank,
I keep a purple stole in the car!
Eternal life may begin at baptism but because of our free will, after baptism we may chose to reject this gift.
Hi Frank
The first year of the current era was AD 1; the year before it was 1 BC. There was no AD 0. We count the years from 1 for the same reason that we count apples, or people, or anything else, from 1 – it makes sense, and produces the right answer.
Dionysius estimated the Incarnation to have occurred in AD 1, but didn’t mention any particular time of the year. The scriptures don’t suggest any time of the year either, but they do suggest the northern spring (march-april) for the Nativity (because that’s the time of the year when shepherds are lilkely to be out in the fields at night – not a lot to go on, I know, but it’s all we have. If Jesus was born in the spring, that points to the previous summer for the Incarnation which, assuming a 1 January turn of the year, would be the previous year.
You can attach too much importance to this. Dionysius wasn’t actually all that bothered about working out the date of either the incarnation or the birth, and put it down as a rather casual throwaway remark that Jesus had been born 525 years before the year in which he was working. (Dionysius was working in the year we know identify as AD 525). His main preoccupation was actually determining the date of Easter.
. . . and for sake of simplicity I would never say Our Lord was born 4 years before Christ.
If you really believe that truth is absolute, then isn’t it important to speak the truth, even if it’s not simple?
Thank you for helping this old brain understand this.
Absolutely on topic:
Whilst the newspaper is not guilty of mortal sin nor capable of being judged culpable of cooperating in a gravely evil act. What would Catholic teaching say about those who work in a newspaper that takes such a seemingly ardent pro-euthanasia line. Can a Catholic, opposed to euthanasia, in good conscience work for a paper with a clear editorial line in its favour?
Frank,
Your real problem is the fact that even by 1 BC, Herod the Great was dead.
Unless you want to deny the historical veracity of the Nativity accounts in the Gospels, you have a problem.
There is a quote on my blog from the esteemed Dr Terry Pratchett (an authority somewhere equivalent to Dr Ott?) which says: “The truth may be out there, but lies are inside your head.”
You dare to compare the bunkum Pratchet writes with the Dogma that Fr Ott so studiously presented to the Catholic people? Tell me plainly; what have you got against the great Bavarian Fr Ludwig Ott? A faithfulk priest who offered his life inservice to the Church and who gave us a work that is in the opinion of many second only to Denzinger. You need to actually go and READ Ott before you criticise or compare hiim to some book of the month trashy writer of demonic fables.
Joshua, didn’t I say that imbeciles, idiots and morons would not be capable of committing a mortal sin? I even got in trouble with Fr Damian for that and had to explain my meaning. But why are we so scared to tell people the truth about sin and its consequences? Why do we faff around with all these ifs, buts and maybes? How are young Catholics supposed to develop a sense of right and wrong without clear guidance?
fr damian can you tell me if Fr Tattersall wears white at funerals and what is Bishop Elliot’s idea on all this? The last time I saw His Excellency was at High Mass and he was dressed like a real bishop and had the most beauful gloves on….I remember seeing dear old Dr Mannix laid out with his brass buckle shoes on and beautiful gloves, we paid our respects to him and have never forgotten how beautiful he looked….
The usual suspects are again arrayed as white knights-Nitschke and Brown. The next step that these blokes cannot see is the slippery slope of the frail elderly,the disabled and the neonate with difficulties,all facing euthanasia .It may take time but i believe it will occur.When the son of Jewish Holocaust survivors has these views as a part of his philosophy ,then that shows the collective amnesia of society. of course I refer to Peter Singer
Frank,
I once met an old Jesuit who had seen Mannix just after he died, still on his bed where he had expired. On the bedside table was a good pile of the latest theological works – Mannix kept abreast of theology right till the end. The old Jesuit told me he has always regretted not having stopped to write down the titles of the last books Mannix read.
(For those not in the loop: Dr Daniel Mannix was the great Irish Archbishop of Melbourne; he reigned – yes, that is the right word! – from 1917 till 1963, dying on the 6th of November – Melbourne Cup Day – aged 99. To this day, Catholic Melbourne still tells and retells tales of the great Dr Mannix, and there is a larger than life statue of him outside the front doors of the Cathedral.)
Frank, remember that Dr Ludwig Ott was a good man and a good scholar, but his work is not in fact the be-all and end-all of all theology: it is clearly intended as a useful vade-mecum for beginners, not as a tome from which to presume to lecture all and sundry… I would have thought you would have noticed Fr Damian quoting Ott in the original German, translating it himself, and then comparing it with the Tridentine definitions, criticizing Ott where necessary: this is real learning at work.
Beware of the tendency common to some, when they quote Conciliar definitions in the same way that wild-eyed Protestants quote random verses of Scripture: both are in fact caricaturing the Magisterium and the Bible, rather than “rightly dividing the word of truth”.
Frank (one of my favourites) wrote:
I stick with the Saints and the teachings of the Church on this…if we only knew the real suffering of the Holy Souls we would do more for them.
Why so?
I’m reading on here (variously) that purgatory ISN’T a place of torment.
How can that be?
I will give the Dogma from Denzinger this time as Fr Ott has failed to impress some here, mid you it DID impress Bishop Cornelius who gave the Imprimatur!
“693 [ De novissimis] * It has likewise defined, that, if those truly penitent have departed in the love of God, before they have made satisfaction by the worthy fruits of penance for sins of commission and omission, the souls of these are cleansed after death by purgatorial punishments; and so that they may be released from punishments of this kind, the suffrages of the living faithful are of advantage to them, namely, the sacrifices of Masses, prayers, and almsgiving, and other works of piety, which are customarily performed by the faithful for other faithful according to the institutions of the Church. And that the souls of those, who after the reception of baptism have incurred no stain of sin at all, and also those, who after the contraction of the stain of sin whether in their bodies, or when released from the same bodies, as we have said before, are purged, are immediately received into heaven, and see clearly the one and triune God Himself just as He is, yet according to the diversity of merits, one more perfectly than another. Moreover, the souls of those who depart in actual mortal sin or in original sin only, descend immediately into hell but to undergo punishments of different kind”
As can be seen the dogma speaks of “purgatorial punishments” Now that aint no parish picnic is it?
Obviously, we are meant to so grow in godliness on earth, that we may fly direct to heaven at death. Purgatory is the provision that God makes for slack and sinful backsliding unheroic Cross-shirking Christians who are not purified of all the lingering traces of sin.
Our life on earth, and our mystical life of yearning for God with every fibre of our being, yet being all too aware of our sinfulness, left astonished and ashamed at our vileness, ought be purgatory (cf. the great mystic writer St Catherine of Genoa, whose celebrated treatise on purgatory is online, and is a wonderful read).
St Augustine says somewhere, that the greatest earthly pain is less than the least pain of purgatory: not that it is an insane torture house of an evil deity, no! but that what we should accomplish here by penance and asceticism and prayer and all good deeds of self-sacrifice must in purgatory be burned away (cf. St Paul – “he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire” – I Corinthians iii, 15), and because the souls in purgatory are certainly saved, but for the moment detained before they can pass into the presence of the Lord, they burn with such eager longing for God that their very detention is severest pain to them…
NB
St Paul prayed for the dead! In II Timothy i, 16-18 and iv, 19 he prays for and greets the “household of Onesiphorus”, speaking the praise of Onesiphorus for his kindly help, but in the past tense – and says “May the Lord grant him to find mercy from the Lord on that day [i.e. the Day of Judgement].” Now, if “after death comes judgement” (Hebrews ix, 27), what is this day?
The Catholic view is that every soul immediately upon being separated from the body at death is judged, either condemned to hell for reason of being in unrepented mortal sin, or welcomed into eternal life by the grace of Christ – but that such a soul may require some purgation before entering heaven (“saved as through fire” – I Cor. iii, 15). Purgatory is thus a temporary state, a transition, a liminal state, which shall not endure for ever. Of its nature, it is the anteroom to heaven, where one is cleansed of all trace of filth and grime before entering the palace of the King.
It must again be noted that purgatory is not cleansing one of original sin – baptism washes that away, as well as all actual sins committed before baptism (so one baptised at the moment of death goes straight to heaven). Purgatory purifies one of any unrepented venial sins, and of any traces of the aftermath of sins repented of: for instance, a murderer who repents on his deathbed would most probably endure purgatory; yet, such is Divine grace, that if a penitent burn with so great a love of God as to repent truly from the bottom of his heart, then such fiery charity enkindled by the Holy Ghost would burn away all stain of sin, leaving one fit to enter heaven forthwith. Remember, sin is fundamentally a lack of love of God, and a disordered love of things other than God – if in the process of repentance one is by grace entirely transformed into a saintly lover of the Lord, purified of every incorrect attachment to other things, then one by definition has been purged indeed.
At the end of time, when all souls shall be reunited with their bodies, when all the dead shall rise again, there shall be held the General Judgement, when before all angels and all men each and every one is judged and the whole universe shall behold how God’s judgement is just and how His Divine Providence is vindicated once His dealings with all are disclosed – thereupon the just shall rejoice in everlasting joy of soul and body in the presence of the Lord, while the impenitent wicked, proven to have spurned God’s mercy and grace, shall be made fit subjects of His just punishment in everlasting hell.
Well spoken in so many words Joshua. here is a briefer yet potent Truth; Saints go to Heaven after death, the remainder of faithful Catholics go to Purgatory and for the rest, well it is as you state clearly they are made “fit subjects of His just punishment in everlasting Hell.” This is the Catholic Faith! This is the Faith we profess! This is the Faith of our Fathers! Deo Gratias!!!!!
Why did you spend all that time writing that rubbish Joshua? Is it your job?
Having spent a cuople of hours driving, I’ve been mulling over this last line from Laetentur Coeli:
“Moreover, the souls of those who depart in actual mortal sin or in original sin only, descend immediately into hell but to undergo punishments of different kind”
I’m finding it difficult to reconcile with the teaching of “baptism of desire” and with the tradition of the salvation of the Patriarchs (or St Joseph).
BoD is heresy.
Carlo,
“BoD is heresy”
Then the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches heresy as did the Baltimore Catechism. And, St Alphonsus Liguori must be burning in hell as an obstinate heretic.
Fr damian I think that it’s better to think of the Patriarchs and St Joseph as Catholics don’t you?
Frank,
Why do you say/ask that? I’m not sure that I understand what you mean.