As if you didn’t know, here are two very common (almost paradigmatic) takes on the Catholic Church of Benedict XVI:
1) The Popular
2) The Intellectual
Of course, both views are utter nonsense, but those who hold them feel secure in their delusions…
As if you didn’t know, here are two very common (almost paradigmatic) takes on the Catholic Church of Benedict XVI:
1) The Popular
2) The Intellectual
Of course, both views are utter nonsense, but those who hold them feel secure in their delusions…
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Sentire Cum Ecclesia began years ago back when blogs were the latest thing. They are a bit passe now, and I spend most of my time on twitter (@scecclesia) but from time to time, I do add new things on this ‘ere website. Mostly I use it as a place for journaling about my Pilgrimage experiences.
The motto of the blog is:
“Maior autem his est spes”
I propose that
1) We replace the absentee monarch of Australia (who is also the Monarch of Great Britain) with an elected Australian monarchy.
2) The elected monarch exactly replaces the current monarch in the current constition.
3) The elected monarch has exactly the same powers, duties and responsibilities as those of the current absentee monarch. All the monarch's functions are carried out by his/her personal representatives (as is currently the case): federally by the Governor General, and in the states by the State Governors.
4) The Governor General and the Governors continue to be selected and appointed as they currently are, that is, by the premier with the approval of the monarch.
5) The monarch is elected to sovereignty over Australia for life, but his/her sovereignty is strictly non-hereditary.
6) The elective body is the "college of electors" comprised of the state governors and federal governor general.
7) The election of the monarch must be a unanimous decision on the part of the college of electors.
"The fervant Romanists have always this point in their favour: that they are ready to believe. And they have a desire for the conversion of men which is honest in exactly inverse ration to the dishonesty of the means which they employ to produce it."
-- Anthony Trollope, "The Way We Live Now"
"The truth may be out there, but lies are inside your head."
-- Terry Pratchet, Hogfather, page 242
"I really don't think I'm arrogant, but I do get impatient with people who don't share with me the same humility in front of the facts."
--Richard Dawkins
Deveney I can forgive, because it’s her job to talk stupid.
But Charlesworth? Oh. My. God. The lack of intellectual seriousness is truly breathtaking. He is a textbook example of what Tracey Rowland calls the ‘naivety’ of some Catholic writers about modern culture. I wonder if he even knows what concepts like ‘ecclesiology’ or ‘valid sacrament’ mean. He probably doesn’t care. If it can’t be reduced to politics, it doesn’t matter.
The Popular: amazing how those who are all for “What Would Jesus Do” have no ears for What Did Jesus Do. Read: those for whom Jesus is a metaphor for socialist and socialist-light (redistribution through government regulation rather that seizure of the means of production) models have no time for Jesus who was God become Man to die for our sins and save us from what we cannot save ourselves.
The Intellectual: John Courtney Murray, oh barf, haven’t heard than name in years, is he STILL the big deal, how long will it be 1968 in the Roman Church? These guys would do well to remember some things — the church is no more a democracy than it is a monarchy, and will suffer as much harm from adopting the polity of the former as it did from adopting the polity of the latter, and, Scripture likens the church to none of Man’s orginisations but to one of God’s, the body, and Mill did not invent democracy, the Greeks did, and the idea depended on work being done by a slave class with democracy extended to the free class who, not burdened by the demands of work, had the leisure to become educated enough to participate in democracy.
Probably the best treatment of American democracy I have ever heard happened in a BBC series called History of England or some such, by a man called Simon, I think. He contrasted the co-temporous developments in what would become the US and India, drawing out why what happened in each place was not the same but conditioned by unique factors not translatable to the other.
Interesting that one is vaguely socialist and one vaguely Millsean. Thorough going socialists find democracy an utter sham, allowing the oppressed to chose which of the ruling class will rule them but not fundamentally altering the class structure. Our liberal democracts seem to think that replacing proletarian seizure with government regulation changes this.
On the other hand, the two seem no more secure in their illusions that the Roman church is in its.
Ignoring your last comment, PE, I can agree with all you wrote.
One thing we can agree on is that no Christian in their right minds would concede that all will be honky dory in the Church if only it were fully “democratic”. Even LCMS is having its battles in this regard.
We have to concede, one way or another, that the Church requires legitimate authority (wherever this is located–in Scripture, in Tradition, in Confessions, in the Ministerium/Magisterium or whatever) if it is to function. (In the LCA here in Australia, the highest authority is Synod. Is the LCA Synod democratic? Well… not really. It still gives a major voice to the pastors over the people.)
I seldom say anything so dismissive, but “What stupid people!”
Susan Peterson